Interview with Husnu Mahalli by Ozlem Gurses from Turkish newspaper Sozcu, 26 July 2015
*Journalist-writer Husnu Mahalli was born and he grew up at Jarabulus, Syria. He is 65 years old and he has been living in Turkey for 40 years. He worked as Middle East regional representative of BBC a period. He is known as a person who knows well the region and leading expert in Turkey. He followed this region and wrote always. He knows the powerful men and also the darkest ones. He reaches to the leaders and also organization houses by phone. He is watching the events with worry and pain. He says that:
“There is a genetic problem in the region, there is always blood in this region; I’ve never written good news.”
-Will the war of ISIS be brought to Turkey territory?
H. Mahalli: 100 percent. We have not seen anything yet! Those men have given hostages to fortune. They would do act in each side, they explode bombs. If the west doesn’t have a real attitude against ISIS and radical Islam, if Turkey does not enter into this collaboration, the blood that the region will see, is so deep and it will be no one could have imagined!
“They are living like the kings in the hotels”
-Iran agreement couldn’t help to resolve?
H. Mahalli: No. They will solve the Syria problem before. For solving this, first of all, Turkey has to change it’s Syria policy. Turkey will close the border, it will cut all kind of relations with the organizations such as ISIS, Al-Nusra, Free Syrian Army and will drive their representatives out. They all have offices in here, they are living like the kings in the hotels, the money is transferred from discretionary fund.
“These are very dangerous games”
-What should be the attitude of Turkey in the equation of ISIS-PYD?
H. Mahalli: Turkey government has made the mistake from the beginning. If you made the mistakes from the beginning, these mistakes lead you to a terrible point. Because these wrongs are the wrongs in very dark relations. Even Davutoglu (former Turkey’s foreign minister and last prime minister) went to Erbil many times. Salih Muslim (PYD leader) came as a guest in Turkey many times. What did they say to the man?
“You revolt against Assad, we give you what you want.”
But, Muslim wasn’t convinced. Thereupon, Turkey government supported ISIS for they put pressure on PYD. These are very dangerous games!
“The name of Yavuz Selim* wasn’t chosen in vain”
*Yavuz Sultan Selim was the ninth Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, but also the first Turkish Islamic caliph
-It must be reason for this. What is this, is this ego?
H. Mahalli: Ego is the second. The first is dream: “I will be the leader of this region.” They believed in this 100 percent. When Arab Spring started, they wanted to revive the Ottoman dream. Arabs winded them up; they were excited. To give the name of Yavuz Selim to a bridge, was it a coincidence? This message was for Islamists in the Middle East and Muslim Brotherhood. He said that with this message:
“Hey, the Muslim Brotherhood, I am Tayyip Erdogan, I am Yavuz Selim. I will enter to Marj Dabiq, I will pray in Umayyad Mosque, Damascus; and I will be caliph.”
He always had this idea in his mind; thus, everything was organized. All those thousands of people were brought to Turkey and educated from these organizations; from Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Syria…
“Turkey doesn’t deserve any of them”
– The government denies all of the claims!
H. Mahalli: A day before the Suruc, ISIS and commanders of all the organizations fighting in Syria, held a meeting in Reyhanlı; they themselves gave these photos to press. Since June 9, 2011 the leaders of these organizations and members, they are coming and going, they are buying everything their need like phone, panties, pants, food, even the chocolate. They are living and traveling! There are hundreds of Muslim Brotherhood leader, commander in Turkey. Every week, they gather at a hotel. Danger which it will bring to Turkey as big as anyone couldn’t imagined! I’ve been saying this for years, I say and I’ll say always. Because, Turkey does not deserve it. Contemporary, a democratic country, does not deserve any of them. Because I know the opposite side, I know well how much patients they are, I know that they are perverse. There are 150 million people who are loving, believing and supporting to ISIS in solidarity in the Arab region and in the world. This is a great danger for Turkey.
“There were hundreds or thousands of sleeper cell house of ISIS in Turkey”
– What has happened in Suruc?
H. Mahalli: The happening in Suruc was expected. There were hundreds or thousands of sleeper cell house of ISIS in Turkey, I am sure. The last four years the thousands went to Iraq and Syria from here. In Raqqa, in the capital of ISIS, the people speak Turkish anymore, due to majority of people who went from Turkey.
– Who founded Al Qaeda, Al-Nusra and ISIS? Who uses these organizations now?
H. Mahalli: Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and the CIA founded it. That is purpose; When the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan under the separation project of Soviet Union, “Green Belt” theory had occurred. Indeed, it was successful. Soviet Union has collapsed. That was the purpose of the Green Belt: ‘We use Islam for our political purposes by corrupting. Let devastate the Islamic world.’ Today, there are 57 Muslim countries in the Islamic Conference, any of them is unlike in Islamic perspectives! 57 countries fight with each other.
“We are fighting against US $ 2 trillion, not just ISIS.”
– Well, couldn’t it be expected to go out of control while establishing this project?
H. Mahalli: Even if it goes out of control, there is no harm to these countries that founded. What is the CIA’s loss, what’s the harm of America? Where CIA takes own power from? It takes from the cooperatives that exist in this region, from kings, emirs, sheikhs; they are dangerous more than you couldn’t imagine! The number of institutions that we call Green Capital is 720. And the money of 720 institutions is 2 trillion dollars. So you and I are fighting against US $ 2 trillion.
– What is the source of the money?
H. Mahalli: Saudi Arabia, Qatar and the riches at there. Today, not only governments support to ISIS, the riches support also, they poured staggeringly money to support ISIS, Al-Nusra. Because these psychopaths believe that; “Our enemies are Shiites, Alawites, they are infidels.” This is not a game.
-What are the rates of Sunni Islam to Shia Islam?
H. Mahalli: It is 20 percent to 80 percent. Iran is only one as state. 56 States are Sunni. September 11 has caused to a discussion within the American system: ‘In this case, there is something wrong in this system. Should we do a new project? Let try to be friendly with Iran and Shiites.’
“Kurdish state will be established on the 100th anniversary of Sevres”
-What is the duty of Kurds in here?
H. Mahalli: That is the real question! Because we approach the 100th anniversary of Sevres, in 2020. Kurdish state will be established on the 100th anniversary of Sevres. In the previous century, the British gave a state to the Jewish; now West say, “Let give state to the Kurds …” What happens in Syria, is experiencing to establish a Kurdish state in northern Syria.
-What was mistake of Turkey did?
H. Mahalli: Everything. But not Turkey; Erdogan and Davutoglu made mistakes. Davutoglu supposed that he could be edited this geography by yourself. However, Saudi Arabia and Qatar which Davutoğlu moves along with, hate Turkey and Turks. They already fobbed Turks off throughout history. Moreover, the Arabs will not give you the leadership of the Muslims, the Quran is in Arabic not Turkish. Saudi Arabia will say that: “Mecca is mine, who are you?”
-Is government’s corruption related to foreign policy?
H. Mahalli: 100 percent! Because, there is corruption in all its relations with the Saudis and Qatar since the beginning of the AKP government. Billions of dollars are coming here: “Give this money to ISIS, Nusra, FSA; buy the tanks, guns, dress or sugar.” Who does control this? Is there an organization that controls it? Does the parliament know this? Do the readers of this newspaper know this? Why the discretionary funds were given to the Prime Minister?
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